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		<title>By: Social Media Metrics Superlist: Measurement, ROI, &#38; Key Statistics Resources - ooze</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmediaexplorer.com/2008/05/19/perhaps-social-media-measurement-shouldn%e2%80%99t-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-28047</link>
		<dc:creator>Social Media Metrics Superlist: Measurement, ROI, &#38; Key Statistics Resources - ooze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:23:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Perhaps Social Media Measurement Shouldn’t Matter From Social Media Explorer: Different take on social media measurement. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Top Ten blogs: Social Media Measurement &#171; The Seldom Seen Kid</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmediaexplorer.com/2008/05/19/perhaps-social-media-measurement-shouldn%e2%80%99t-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-22699</link>
		<dc:creator>Top Ten blogs: Social Media Measurement &#171; The Seldom Seen Kid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 00:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Social Media Measurement: Dashboards vs GPS 2) What Will Replace the Almighty Page View? 3) Perhaps Social Media Measurement Shouldn’t Matter 4) Social Media ROI &#8211; a financially sound method 5) You just cannot shoe-horn metrics into [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Social Media Metrics Superlist: Measurement, ROI, &#38; Key Statistics Resources</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmediaexplorer.com/2008/05/19/perhaps-social-media-measurement-shouldn%e2%80%99t-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-1270</link>
		<dc:creator>Social Media Metrics Superlist: Measurement, ROI, &#38; Key Statistics Resources</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 11:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Perhaps Social Media Measurement Shouldn’t Matter From Social Media Explorer: Different take on social media measurement. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Do social media and online community metrics really matter? - LL&#39;s Community Zen Master Blog - CommunityZenMaster.com</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmediaexplorer.com/2008/05/19/perhaps-social-media-measurement-shouldn%e2%80%99t-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-1268</link>
		<dc:creator>Do social media and online community metrics really matter? - LL&#39;s Community Zen Master Blog - CommunityZenMaster.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 07:30:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] talking with many people about this question and seeing/hearing others talk about it, what I&#039;ve concluded is that metrics do *not* matter for those who can&#039;t easily or cost [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] talking with many people about this question and seeing/hearing others talk about it, what I&#39;ve concluded is that metrics do *not* matter for those who can&#39;t easily or cost [...]</p>
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		<title>By: shannonpaul</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmediaexplorer.com/2008/05/19/perhaps-social-media-measurement-shouldn%e2%80%99t-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-1269</link>
		<dc:creator>shannonpaul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 00:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why has it taken me this long to start reading your blog!?! This is *exactly* what I have been mulling over in my head for days.

Like everyone else, I was stuck on thinking I had to prove ROI in social media, but then it finally occurred to me that the metrics designed to measure the efficacy of PR have always been murky at best! Ad equivalency? Pish posh.

Thanks for this -- I&#039;m off to write a post of my own!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why has it taken me this long to start reading your blog!?! This is *exactly* what I have been mulling over in my head for days.</p>
<p>Like everyone else, I was stuck on thinking I had to prove ROI in social media, but then it finally occurred to me that the metrics designed to measure the efficacy of PR have always been murky at best! Ad equivalency? Pish posh.</p>
<p>Thanks for this &#8212; I&#8217;m off to write a post of my own!</p>
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		<title>By: Ideas That Spread &#187; Social Media Metrics</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmediaexplorer.com/2008/05/19/perhaps-social-media-measurement-shouldn%e2%80%99t-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-1267</link>
		<dc:creator>Ideas That Spread &#187; Social Media Metrics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Social Crush PR &#124; for what it&#8217;s worth: time, money or community? &#124; wiredPRworks</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmediaexplorer.com/2008/05/19/perhaps-social-media-measurement-shouldn%e2%80%99t-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-1266</link>
		<dc:creator>Social Crush PR &#124; for what it&#8217;s worth: time, money or community? &#124; wiredPRworks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] much does social media cost? What&#8217;s the return on investment? Jason Falls of Social Media Explorer suggests that social media is for your people, not your bottom [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Prophet King Governance Press &#187; links for 2008-06-16</title>
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		<dc:creator>Prophet King Governance Press &#187; links for 2008-06-16</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 04:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Perhaps Social Media Measurement Shouldn’t Matter &#124; Social Media Explorer (tags: social socialsoftware) [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dean Westervelt</title>
		<link>http://www.socialmediaexplorer.com/2008/05/19/perhaps-social-media-measurement-shouldn%e2%80%99t-matter/comment-page-1/#comment-1264</link>
		<dc:creator>Dean Westervelt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 13:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jason,

Great post with comprehensive commentary.

I would only add that the challenge of quantifying the ROI of any social media outreach or marketing efforts, especially if companies wish to move beyond core social media metrics such as sentiment and activity trending, rely very much on synthesizing data from disparate sources such as web conversions or unattributed sales.  For years, the shangri-la for marketers in mass media has been a media or marketing mix model that statistically estimates the value of each media based on mass advertising inputs.  Seems to me the nascent social media channel, and information associated with it, could become another input into this type of model.  Of course, the capability of companies to synthesize and execute on this remains a challenge while marketers simply focus on getting through their days!

Guess I could have said this more concisely - ROI seems difficult but not impossible to back into, especially if marketers are willing to accept an estimate instead of pretending that it&#039;s a rock-hard number that C-level execs hang their hats on.

Dean
CI</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jason,</p>
<p>Great post with comprehensive commentary.</p>
<p>I would only add that the challenge of quantifying the ROI of any social media outreach or marketing efforts, especially if companies wish to move beyond core social media metrics such as sentiment and activity trending, rely very much on synthesizing data from disparate sources such as web conversions or unattributed sales.  For years, the shangri-la for marketers in mass media has been a media or marketing mix model that statistically estimates the value of each media based on mass advertising inputs.  Seems to me the nascent social media channel, and information associated with it, could become another input into this type of model.  Of course, the capability of companies to synthesize and execute on this remains a challenge while marketers simply focus on getting through their days!</p>
<p>Guess I could have said this more concisely &#8211; ROI seems difficult but not impossible to back into, especially if marketers are willing to accept an estimate instead of pretending that it&#8217;s a rock-hard number that C-level execs hang their hats on.</p>
<p>Dean<br />
CI</p>
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		<title>By: THINKing &#187; PR Needs To Grow Up</title>
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		<dc:creator>THINKing &#187; PR Needs To Grow Up</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 21:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jason Falls has an interesting perspective on whether to measure social media. My answer for the time-being still is &#8220;yes&#8221; because top level executives don&#8217;t [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andrea Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrea Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 23:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;The core reason social media programs are successful is because they’re about people, not money. Look at the social media buzz words – community, conversation, dialog, sharing – all of them are people-centric, consumer-centric. Social media isn’t about sales.

Yes, but you can measure things about people, too.. specifically I&#039;m thinking about usability metrics like the SUMI. It may be difficult to pin a dollar value on a pair of eyeballs or a blog post, but that&#039;s not to say that anything that is human-centered can&#039;t be measured.
I&#039;ve worked in the User Experience field for several years, and there was the same sort of question being bantered about: how can we justify the costs, what is the ROI. If we shy away from offering up those numbers, it&#039;s because we&#039;re afraid to get them wrong, not because they&#039;re not measurable. There has to be some value to everything we do. I am extremely passionate about accessibility, but it&#039;s a hard sell for some. Even if it is about &quot;doing the right thing and providing the user with the best experience&quot;, someone has to pony up and define what that best experience is, and how you can tell if you&#039;ve succeeded..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;The core reason social media programs are successful is because they’re about people, not money. Look at the social media buzz words – community, conversation, dialog, sharing – all of them are people-centric, consumer-centric. Social media isn’t about sales.</p>
<p>Yes, but you can measure things about people, too.. specifically I&#8217;m thinking about usability metrics like the SUMI. It may be difficult to pin a dollar value on a pair of eyeballs or a blog post, but that&#8217;s not to say that anything that is human-centered can&#8217;t be measured.<br />
I&#8217;ve worked in the User Experience field for several years, and there was the same sort of question being bantered about: how can we justify the costs, what is the ROI. If we shy away from offering up those numbers, it&#8217;s because we&#8217;re afraid to get them wrong, not because they&#8217;re not measurable. There has to be some value to everything we do. I am extremely passionate about accessibility, but it&#8217;s a hard sell for some. Even if it is about &#8220;doing the right thing and providing the user with the best experience&#8221;, someone has to pony up and define what that best experience is, and how you can tell if you&#8217;ve succeeded..</p>
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