Facebook Group And Brand Page Best Practices

October 6, 2008 · Comments

Jason Falls

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Facebook is an easy place to engage a group of people around your brand. The social tools, group functionality and free brand pages give companies, clubs and organizations an unprecedented level of access to a group of interested consumers. The easy advertising tools also allow businesses to promote themselves to the 100 million (or thereabouts) users on the social network, not to mention the social advertising that takes place when someone joins your group or becomes a fan.

But as easy as companies, brands an organizations find the interface and as powerful as the feature set its, messing it up can be easy to do and the negative repercussions very powerful in driving people away from your brand.

With a tip of the cap to Collin Douma (links below), I thought it appropriate to begin a list of Facebook Group and Brand Page Best Practices For Brands. This is, by no means, a complete list, but something we can all add to. (Hint, hint: Comments are a good place for your thoughts.)

Know The Differences

There is a distinction between Brand Pages and Groups but they are subtle and often hidden in technical executions you won’t notice until you try things. Here are some distinctions which should help you decide if you need a Group or a Page. With apologies to Search Engine Journal, I took their chart idea and expanded on it a bit.

The high points are that Pages are publicly accessible and indexed which is important because that fan page can be seen by someone not registered or logged in to Facebook. These pages also show up in search results, so the content there can help with search visibility and reputation management. You can also advertise your fan page via Facebook’s social ads. Group pages can only be seen by registered users and can even be set to private for members only viewing. They can also not be advertised via the social ads function. So if you are trying to reach a broad audience and want as many members as possible, meaning you may even want to advertise what you are doing, go with the Page over the Group. If you’re more apt to invite those you know to the collection of folks, Groups will serve the purpose.

NOTE: Thanks to Collin Douma for the Group-Social Ad functionality correction.

Another difference is that when you send out a notification to all the users of a Group, the message goes to their Facebook Inbox like an email. For a Brand Page, the notification goes into the “Updates” tab which is less personal and often overlooked or ignored by users. There is currently no way to email your fans on a Brand Page, so if personal communication and outreach is your aim, Groups is a better option.

Brand Pages also let you supply much more robust information about your organization as part of the page profiles.

Finally, if your brand or organization has a development staff or might one day add a Facebook Application around what you do, you’ll want to integrate it with your Brand Page. Groups aren’t intrinsically linked to apps since the purpose of Groups is geared more toward informal clubs of people rather than official community places for brands for their fans.

Search Engine Journal has the comparison chart that inspired my version above and some more information, though I don’t agree with their assessment that Pages are better for long-term relationships and Groups are better for hosting quick discussions. Social Media Club Louisville has had a nice Group page on Facebook for a year that has served our purposes very well.

SEJ’s chart also indicates Groups don’t allow the ability to create related events with invitations which we’ve done every month since January. Brand Page events are actually a bit more complicated as you have to send an update about the event rather than a direct invitation to one’s inbox. SMC Louisville only started a Brand Page recently because our membership in the Group page was tied to our Network (Louisville) and wouldn’t let members of other networks join. (This is a setting you’ll choose when you first start your Group. I would recommend setting it to “Available To All Facebook Users” since a person’s network and yours may not mesh.)

Setting It Up

Knowing what you want to use the Group or Page for is fundamental to how you set it up, so decide all this first. Do you want users to be able to post public messages on a wall? Do you want to have related groups or events shown? What about photos and videos? Do you want to allow users to upload them or just the administrators?

Obviously, to encourage participation and dialog, the more you open the flood gates, the better. But you also need to be aware that detractors could gravitate to a page with open permissions. (More on them in a moment.) However, if you elect to turn certain social features off, you will do yourself a big favor by using your Information box or Notes section to list your policies and procedures for your Facebook presence. If you don’t allow images or videos, for instance, explain why and encourage people to send their images and videos to the administrator for uploading. There’s nothing wrong with moderating comments and submissions, so long as you tell the users why you’re doing it and being consistent and fair when deleting or denying submissions.

And make sure to set up more than one administrator. At Doe-Anderson, we call it the bus rule. If you were to be hit by a bus tomorrow, who would step in? Make sure someone else has access to the content to manage the page. The time lapse between the Uptown Express dribbling you down Second Avenue and someone realizing there’s unmoderated filth on your brand page could be long enough to get your group, client or business in hot water.

Providing Content

Nothing makes for a bad Facebook Group or Page than stagnant content. Like a corporate blog or dynamic website, you need to engage people regularly. Even if it’s just posting a new message board topic each week, do something on a regular basis (the more frequent the better) to elicit a response from folks. The frequency depends on your purpose and audience. For example, the Social Media Club Louisville Group page has been essentially a method to invite and solicit RSVPs for our monthly events. So monthly worked. (Past tense because we’ve recently transitioned to a Brand Page.) If we were trying to drive conversation about the Social Media Club and get more people actively involved on- and off-line, we would ramp up the frequency of our content.

Moderating User-Provided Content

The rules for moderating content on Facebook Group and Brand Pages is really no different than those for moderating content on your own website. To encourage conversation, you really need to have an open door policy, but can certainly apply some filters or restrictions, so long as you make it clear you’re doing so. Here are some thoughts, all of which can be applied to message boards, wall posts, picture and video submissions or other content your users provide:

  1. Clearly state your policies somewhere on the page or via a link from the page. The first Message Board entry is a good place to put this. Make it from you and clearly outline what’s acceptable and not on your Group/Page.
  2. Having a policy saying offensive items will not be tolerated is almost a must have. Certainly, this varies depending upon your subject matter and level of offensive tolerance, but cautioning people not to use images or language that is offensive based on sex, race, religion, etc., is important for legal reasons as much as cleanliness of the submissions. But you don’t have to be very detailed, either. “We won’t tolerate anything we deem to be offensive,” is fair and straight forward, plus it gives you some flexibility.
  3. That said, deleting comments that might be critical of you or your organization is not only not cool, it’s a cop out. Instead, you should polish your experience and ability to deal with detractors. Andy Sernovitz has some good ideas on that here. You can also find interesting considerations for dealing with the negative folks from Valeria Maltoni, Connie Benson (via Jeremiah Owyang) and Jeremy Schoemaker (a/k/a ShoeMoney). All these pointers are strong but the essential approach is that if you respond to the negative with an openness and willingness to listen to their beef, they’ll either eventually flip to loving you for validating and addressing their concerns or back down from their stance because they didn’t think you’d respond or anticipated you would just delete their comment. Plus, when you have an engaged community of supporters, they’ll often weed out those bad seeds as a group, thwarting the negative by defending you.
  4. Make it clear what you will and will not tolerate in terms of marketing messages. If you don’t care if folks recommend products and services, say so, but define what you think crosses the line into spam and indicate that won’t be tolerated. If you won’t allow marketing messages at all, be clear. For example, “You are fine to state who you work for, but a description of what your company does is not warranted. Please don’t go that far.”
  5. Understand your competitors will be as tempted as anyone to play in your sandbox. Know this going in and decide how you’d like to handle it. Obviously, I wouldn’t recommend a totalitarian, always delete approach. While you don’t have to tolerate gross pimping of their product, you will be surprised how interesting the conversation can be if you engage them in discussions about the industry. Keep in mind, however, that arguing each other’s finer points only means you’re engaging in a pissing match in front of your own fans. Best to thank them for contributing their opinion and moving on to something good about your product. If you’re really confident, as your fans what they think of your competition and watch them slink away.

I would also recommend “Managing Online Forums” by Patrick O’Keefe, which has an entire section on dealing with the types of users and posts you’ll find in public communications venues. O’Keefe dives in deep and is very thorough in discussing legal considerations and more. The book is well worth the price of admission. ($24 according to the cover.)

There are more specific areas of advice I would give for the use of notes, reviews, wall posts and more, but these are normally very dependent upon your brand, organization, product, service or purpose on Facebook. Instead of diving any deeper, I’d like to know what advice or experiences you would share relevant to Groups or Brand Pages on Facebook. Offer your tips in the comments section and I’ll compile them into a tip sheet PDF for everyone to download and share (with appropriate credit given, of course.)

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  • Will
    One great tool I found to mange Facebook Groups and fans is xibya-groups-explorer
    you can find it in this link:

    http://www.facebook.com/apps/application.php?id...

    Hope you will enjoy as I did
  • Thanks, Will. Appreciate the link.
  • Evelyn Fasnacht
    Thanks for helping me sort out the difference between pages and groups. I created a group to foster interactive communication, but it still seems to be one way. A message to all goes out as an email where replies come back only to me. A wall post doesn't go to members, so members have to sign in to the group to read and add comments - same with discussions. Is there a way to have members posts automatically go to all members for interactive commenting? Appreciate any help you can give us in that direction!
  • Yes you are right. Facebook pages and groups are really best for corporate and business used. It helps people to interact with people and provide them best and latest news about current events. Thanks for this great info.
  • Jim
    how does this change with the new facebook pages?
  • Who do I speak with about this further? ie. hiring someone to take care of it for me?

    OfficeSearchToronto.com
  • Thanks for writing this post, Jason. I'm making it required reading in my Advanced Public Relations Writing class at the University of Oregon.
  • Kara
    Great discussion touching on a lot of the same points:

    http://www.wildapricot.com/blogs/newsblog/archi...
  • Heidi Miller
    Seesmic video reply from Disqus.
  • Great post, Jason; thanks! This is just what I was looking for. I'm glad I'm not the only one uncertain of brand Pages versus Groups on Facebook and how they can be used. Thanks for demystifying!

    Is there a compelling reason not to have both?
  • the information here is a great "to do " list for best practices in group management.
    will send to all our clients.
    thanks so much
  • Jason.. great stuff here. Thanks.
    We are struggling here because we have both a group and a page and are trying to figure out if we need to market them for a brand.
  • Facebook Groups are GREAT.......but, you have to find creative and innovative ways to leverage them (Might be a good subject for a future blog post?).....

    Take, for example.......THIS group that I created over a year ago....
    http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/grou...

    It just went over +210,000 members, with 500-1,000 new members everyday, with statistics taken since the creation of the group......

    Of course, the concern with Facebook groups is that people will join, check it out once, only to never return.....

    With my group, in exchange for free advertising, we link up with companies to offer contest for FREE things to everyone who joins.......all people have to do is "Check-IN" (in a thread) and Invite their friends.........along with the promise of frequent contests in the future.......that encourages enjoyability of the group, as well as, interaction with threads, wall, and willingness to invite other friend.....and return visitations....

    just some thoughts :)
  • jen
    Jason, this is super-fabulous! Thanks for creating this. Really, really great post.
  • Emily
    Hi thanks for this advice i have just suggested and am currently in the process of setting up a facebook group for my company in Dubai and these are all definite areas for me to take into consideration, cheers!
  • Very happy we could give some helpful tips. I guess this makes us truly international. Good luck!
  • Great post - really useful summary. Am I right in thinking that the ability to send emails to Group members is switched off by Facebook when a Group reaches a certain size? Or did the powers that be in Palo Alto change that?
  • Hey Robin, you are right. Once a group reaches 1,200 members (or perhaps it's 1,500 ... working from a frazzled memory), the email blast functionality no longer works. So for groups, growth is great ... do a certain point.
  • SethResler
    Thanks for the post. Very useful info. I incorporated it into a seminar I gave at the New England Nightclub and Bar Expo at the Twin River Casino.
  • Glad we could help Seth!
  • I'm surprised neither you nor your other commenters so far raise the notion that one can have both pages and groups.

    Consider an organization, for instance, that currently has a group and is considering upgrading to a page. Why not keep the group and create the page, email the group members about the page, and users can do what they wish?

    Another way to look at the group vs page debate is use the page as the primary engine, with groups acting as subsidiaries. For instance, if Jason Falls Consulting is the name of a page, then Jason Falls Speaking could be one group, Jason Falls Blogging could be another group, and Social Media Explorer could be another page. And so forth.
  • But Ari, if we had, then there would be no reason for you to share that insight! Good point and an extremely valuable one to consider, particularly if your organization has a lot of fingers. I would also caution folks about managing multiple versions of the same information, thought. For instance. SMC Louisville now has a page and a group, but we really only use it for the purpose of promoting events and having conversations with our members, which can be done on both. From a management perspective for the organization, it makes more sense to have one or the other. So, I would hope people starting groups or pages can take that into consideration.

    You're right, however, that when you have fingers of concentration, it makes sense to divide. And I'm flattered you would use me as an example. (Consultant ... hmmm. Doe probably wouldn't like that, but it's interesting. Thanks.)
  • Mark Nelson
    A crucial point, Jason. Groups cap your ability to email your members at 1,200 members. There is simply no easy way to email all members in groups any larger. If you've got more that 1,200 customers on FB, this is a serious problem.

    Pages don't impose this limit, but as you said, "updates" to your Page Fans don't go to their inbox, either, and are mostly un-noticed and unread.

    Another drawback with Groups, is that even if you're well under the 1,200 member cap, when you message more than 20 or so members at a time, FB doesn't do instant delivery "because you sent a message to a large number of people". For time-sensitive calls to action, this really sucks, for both the Group organizer and the members.

    I really wish FB would let us receive any message we want from groups or brands we ask to join or fan. But they don't seem to trust us to be able to make that choice for ourselves.
  • Excellent point, Mark, and thanks for adding it to the list. I should have remembered that point as Help A Reporter Out, one of my favorite Facebook success stories, advanced beyond Facebook for that reason alone. Nice add!
  • Hey Jason

    Oops, your chart says that groups cannot have social ad promotion. You can do social ad promotion for groups. I used social ads to kick start my experimental Soviet Poster and Steam Punk groups in the past. Both returned on expectations.

    Thanks again for the links to my radical trust series on Facebook Pages Best Practices. I have recently updated another post with lessons from the top ten (by population) pages. http://www.radicaltrust.ca/2008/09/29/best-prac...

    This is a great post... added bookmarks!

    cheers
    collin
  • Hey Collin - Thanks for pointing that out. Guess I needed to go back and try everything again to make sure I was right. Will correct the image and note accordingly.

    Appreciate the crowdsourcing contribution!
  • Good stuff, Jason. There's a lot here that I didn't know about, particularly about Pages. Thanks.
  • You're always welcome, Mark. Glad I can be of service.
  • Great post, this is something that I am in the process of developing a strategy for the company I work for and the tips will help out a lot. I believe groups are better for smaller and more specific events. When in college groups were always used for a cause or event that was happening, and something that usually had a start and end date. Pages are more professional and ongoing and would better fit a company.

    Craig
    www.budgetpulse.com
  • Agreed, Craig. Of course, I would assess each organization first to make sure. Just because it's a big business doesn't mean a page is the best fit and vice-versa. But you're right that the general purpose is probably a point in the right direction.
  • Ed
    I feel point 3 really hit it on the right note, regarding acknowledging criticism and dealing with them right. I recalled the day I was searching for a webhost so desperately, and found myself reading up Dreamhost's blog. Archive after archive i went until I hit the incident where another webhost literally started a fake blog with malicious intents on Dreamhost. The supporters went all out to defend Dreamhost, with some of them playing detectives which led to the discovery of the true identity behind the fake blog.

    Brand evangelists are such powerful testimonials, not just by words but also in practice.
  • Amen, Ed. Thanks for the perspective and the Dreamhost example here. That's one I hadn't heard yet. Great stuff.
  • Thanks for the recommendation, Jason. Very much appreciated! :)
  • If you're stuff is good, I'll pass it on. Thanks for the knowledge, sir.
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